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NIDs could be replaced for elections

SGA seeks signature switch

Published: Wednesday, March 3, 2010

Updated: Wednesday, March 3, 2010 19:03

NIDform

Tina Russell

Using student Network IDs to gain signatures to run in Student Government Association elections could become as obsolete as dial-up Internet.

The SGA Senate has noticed a growing trend of students not knowing their own NIDs.

When asked for them, students will often write their PID or a series of random numbers on petition forms for would-be SGA candidates.

When students provide incorrect or irrelevant information on candidates' forms it renders the entire signature invalid and prevents the Elections Committee and Student Government advisers from being able to verify the authenticity of students who claim to be enrolled.

"This issue was brought to my attention by a student who kept getting unsolicited PIDs on his form instead of NIDs," said Andrew Proia, SGA attorney general, who wrote the opinion about NIDs becoming obsolete. "He wanted to know if the signatures could be counted as valid with the PIDs."

According to the election statutes, candidates running for senate are required to file a petition with the signatures and NIDs of 50 students enrolled in their college or 25 signatures from students enrolled with undecided majors, if running for an undeclared position.

Candidates running for the presidential ticket must file a petition form with 500 signatures.
In order for a candidate to qualify to run, the petition form must be completed with the required number of signatures and be proven valid with each signature containing an accompanying printed name and NID.

Candidates are having to gather more signatures than the required number in the hopes that by doing so they will have secured enough  to qualify.

"Petition forms have 25 signature spots," Joshua Miller, senate president pro tempore, said. "Technically you should only need to use two forms. I had to use eight or nine for mine. People would write their PIDs down, but those can't be used. You would have maybe 10 NIDs on a page out of the 25."

Senate has recognized the unnecessary pressure requiring NIDs has put on students hoping to run and is in talks to modify the information required in order to prove a name's validity as a UCF student.

"We all agree it needs to be changed at once," Katie Celano, Elections and Appointments Committee chair, said. "We are collaborating on ideas to solve this. Ideally we should have it resolved before fall elections."

There are four proposed courses of action.

The first is to retain the current system of using NIDs.

"We don't really want this to happen," Miller said. "Students don't know their NIDs.  NIDs are outdated. Students don't really need to use them."

The second solution would be to revert back to using the PID number with a disclaimer.

During the 39th student senate in 2006-2007 the senate voted to change the forms from requiring the PID number for verification to the NID.

They did this as a preventative measure to keep students' PID numbers, which contain secure financial and personal information, from being ill-used.

"Personally, I like the PID idea," Miller said. "Everyone knows their PID, but there is the problem with security."

The third proposed solution calls for students to write their UCF ID card number, which runs along the bottom of their student ID, beside their signature.

While most students do not have this number memorized, like with the NID, they should always have easy access to it as students are supposed to carry their cards with them.

The final idea would require students to write the last four digits of their PID and their birth date to prove they were UCF students.

"I like the last four of the PID plus the birth date best," Celano said. "It's safe to give out."

Celano said teachers post grades using the last four digits of the PID.

"With the birth date and the name it is impossible to forge," Celano said. "Those three things are something every student would know. It is easier too then having to stop and get out your ID from your wallet when you're trying to walk by, and safer than giving out the full PID."

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10 comments

Anonymous
Sun Mar 7 2010 00:06
Daniel and Kevin campaign got 900 signatures in a 2 hour span before the deadline on thursday afternoon. I saw they were out there talking to people and getting signatures and they qualified pretty quickly. There not complaining about NIDs.
Stephen Mortellaro
Sat Mar 6 2010 22:42
As the student who Proia mentioned, I completely agree.
Anonymous
Fri Mar 5 2010 17:40
I think Chris' idea of name, sig and last four of the ID is the best. Providing a full PID with your name already there is just not safe nor is providing your DOB. Even by providing only the last four digits of your PID, your supplying anyone with ill intentions five of the eight digits (last four and first initial) meaning they would only have to guess three numbers for an ID that is of major importance to UCF students. Providing only the last four of the student ID is smart because we all carry it around in our wallets and purses and providing only four of 16 numbers is small enough to deter possible criminal activity.
Thomas Adriaan Hellinger
Thu Mar 4 2010 16:55
As a member of the Student Labor Action Project, and possibly student mentioned indirectly by Mr. Proia, I understand the problems of the current system. When we delivered nearly 2,000 petitions to get a simple ballot referendum we were rejected on the grounds that we had too few valid NID's. All our hard work was reduced to nothing over a minor technicality. The refusal to accept the petitions was literally a waste of our time as organizers, and quite frankly, an insult. I'm at least somewhat consoled by the fact that those accepting the petitions have finally come to the realization that this is an untenable system.

A potential solution that hasn't been discussed is to contact the students on the petition in a random sampling. If the majority of the students confirm signing the petition all the signatures should be accepted. This method would require less work to verify and still provide an adequate test of the validity of the signatures. While there is still the possibility of groups using their own phone numbers, a check to eliminate duplicate phone numbers would make such a hypothetical system nearly impossible. The only way such a ploy could reliably work is for a group to collect enough contacts to make the collection of petitions valid anyway. A simple test of having the students supply the last two digits of their PID would act as an additional safe guard to ensure that the contacts are all UCF students, AND ensure additional verification without compromising security.

Thomas Adriaan Hellinger
Thu Mar 4 2010 16:54
As a member of the Student Labor Action Project, and possibly student mentioned indirectly by Mr. Proia, I understand the problems of the current system. When we delivered nearly 2,000 petitions to get a simple ballot referendum we were rejected on the grounds that we had too few valid NID's. All our hard work was reduced to nothing over a minor technicality. The refusal to accept the petitions was literally a waste of our time as organizers, and quite frankly, an insult. I'm at least somewhat consoled by the fact that those accepting the petitions have finally come to the realization that this is an untenable system.

A potential solution that hasn't been discussed is to contact the students on the petition in a random sampling. If the majority of the students confirm signing the petition all the signatures should be accepted. This method would require less work to verify and still provide an adequate test of the validity of the signatures. While there is still the possibility of groups using their own phone numbers, a check to eliminate duplicate phone numbers would make such a hypothetical system nearly impossible. The only way such a ploy could reliably work is for a group to collect enough contacts to make the collection of petitions valid anyway. A simple test of having the students supply the last two digits of their PID would act as an additional safe guard to ensure that the contacts are all UCF students, AND ensure additional verification without compromising security.

William Lusk
Thu Mar 4 2010 09:08
David,

That's an interesting point you bring up. To be honest, signing a petition on MyUCF isn't a good thing; it would eliminate the human factor of a candidate running for a position. The objective of the petition signing is to force a candidate to interact with the constituency. Enough students complain of not personally knowing the candidates they vote for. Furthermore, asking someone to sign the petition online is risky - the student may forget, thus harming the candidate.

I'm personally a fan of the last 4 digits of the PID to be used on the petition. It's easy to remember for the student and easy for the Election Commission to process once the petition is submitted.

David
Wed Mar 3 2010 23:35
Honestly, the UCF ID idea probably isn't the best. I could easily envision someone filling out petitions using their roommate's ID, or something along those lines. I'm not sure if SGA has a way to verify signatures, unless they have access to the one on file with UCF Card Services. Of course, because it's on the ID, that can probably be forged too.

I agree with Chris though. There are so many computer systems on campus where PYYMMDD is your password. Using a birthday may also be insecure. Honestly, I'm having a hard time thinking of a different method.

This is radically different from the current system, but maybe students may be able to sign petitions via MyUCF? Candidates may talk to students and say "Hey, do you like me? Want to vote for me? Log on to MyUCF and sign my petition to get on the ballot!"

Chris
Wed Mar 3 2010 23:05
Katie,

Thanks for the response and I fully understand where you are coming from. I have to say though that having your full name and birthday on a piece of paper that is accessible to an incalculable number of people doesn't seem "to ensure the safety of [the] students' information" either. Another possible solution could be for the student to furnish their name, signature and the last four digits of their 16-digit UCF ID card number. Therefore it would be enough to prove authenticity but not enough to furnish misconduct.

Katie Celano, E&A Chairman
Wed Mar 3 2010 21:54
Chris,

The problem with using a name and just 2 digits of a PID is that it can easily be fabricated. There is more of a chance of someone guessing just two numbers right as opposed to four. I know this may be subjective, but our goal is to ensure the safety of all students' information while making it the easiest process on the students, those seeking the signatures, and the Elections Commission. If you have any other ideas, I'd love to entertain them. Feel free to e-mail me at sga_ea@mail.ucf.edu if you do! Thanks for reading and posting your comment :)

Sincerely,
Katie Celano

Chris
Wed Mar 3 2010 21:03
Why don't we just use our names and the last two digits of our PID like what the library now requires to check-out a book?






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